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bhavv · Sep 24, 2007, 12:47 PM // 12:47

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=463339

Heres a poll on it over at GWO. 78% of players there want 7 heroes. Im not bothering discussing it anymore here unless a poll is put up.

Someone start a poll for 7 heroes please. Ktnxby

Ghryphon · Sep 24, 2007, 01:05 PM // 13:05

I dunno about having 7 heroes...but perhaps an addition 1 would be nice. Theres always places in HM Vanqin you wish you had just 1 extra hero spot that would make a huge difference.

7 is a bit excessive in my opinion, and some of you stated why. Population is a problem though I agree....but 7 heroes would make it a bit worse. Id say add one extra spot.

Crom The Pale · Sep 24, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

I love playing with people, I also love playing with Heros when I know my time is limited and I may have to quit in the middle of a dungeon or mission.

I want both, why can't I have it?

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Sep 24, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

With the additional areas added on its become extreemly difficult to form a decent group in may areas.... I am 104230401240% on board the 7 hero bandwagon, and here is why

1. A great deal of additional area with only slightly more people means many areas are more or less empty.

2. 7 heros doesn't unlock godmode. 8 Humans will always be better than 1 with 7 heros.

3. Wont affect PvP balance as HA has restricted numbers and Hero battles caps at 4....

4. Its just a good idea, keeps people from complaining about how bad henchmen are, we will see if their build is any better.

Bryant Again · Sep 24, 2007, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

I love playing with people, I also love playing with Heros when I know my time is limited and I may have to quit in the middle of a dungeon or mission.

I want both, why can't I have it?

Actually, the question is more: why not? From what I've seen and known, the 3 hero limit isn't good incentive. People will just pick up the three best heroes and get outta there. The fact that they're "overpowered" is greatly debateable (yes they have great reaction time, but can't use any PvE skills whatsoever).

So, why not?

bhavv · Sep 24, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

So finally everyone actually agrees that 7 heroes would be nice?

Isnt it a nice game we play, where the players know what would make the game better and Anet dont care?

Gaile has already recently stated that Anet have no plans to allow 7 heroes, and that she is ignoring the discussions on it (Read through teh 120+ pages at GWO).

Etta · Sep 24, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

What was their reason for not allowing players to have 7 heroes again? Was it to promote grouping or buddy gaming or something? I have someone to play with most of the time so 3 or 7 don't bother me that much.

But do Anet really think that by limiting the number to 3 with make those people who want to go alone anyway think twice? Hardly, that why there're so many H/H team. If they set it to 1 hero, those people would still use 6 henchmen to fill the slots.

Don't they get it? Most people don't like other people that they don't know, don't like pugs, don't like the way other play, builds etc. That's why they rather play with themself.

iridescentfyre · Sep 24, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

If they allowed us to take 7 Heroes, I'd still be just as likely to play with others. Usually if I'm PvEing with another player, its because a friend of mine needed help. In that situation, its irrelevant how many heroes I can bring--I'm still going to help them out.

And really, the henchmen in Eye of the North are basically heroes anyway; they use 8 skills on their bar, and have intelligent setups that we would be likely to give to a hero anyway. So whats the difference? Being restricted to 3 heroes isn't making me group with others any more or less, personally.

Perhaps a compromise would be in order: If your party is set to hard mode, open it up to 7 heroes. In normal mode, 3.

EternalTempest · Sep 24, 2007, 04:06 PM // 16:06

I would like full hero party.
Anet has stated there no plans to do it.
I'm content with Hero/Hench or Me + Guild member + 6 hero's atm.

When GW1 shows sign of real death / lack of players, they may implement this feature but don't see it for a few years.

boxterduke · Sep 24, 2007, 04:36 PM // 16:36

I wish they make them 4 atleast.
I always take a warrior hero with me and have charge on them so I can cut down on walking time, espeically if I need to go back and forth.
If we get 4 then at least I can fill 3 SF eles or 2 SF and an MM etc.

Loviatar · Sep 24, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by bhavv

So finally everyone actually agrees that 7 heroes would be nice?

NO i do not agree and i hero/hench only

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Isnt it a nice game we play, where the players know what would make the game better and Anet dont care?

right.......a small loud group knows more than the company which made it a success

Quote:

Gaile has already recently stated that Anet have no plans to allow 7 heroes, and that she is ignoring the discussions on it (Read through teh 120+ pages at GWO).

actually Gaile stated that it was tested on their servers and rejected by Jeff Strain/ Mike O`Brion / and the rest of the design team and for the reasons THEY gave it will not be done.

NOTE

usually Anet will leave wiggle room to change their mind later

HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT?

it is being considered

that sounds like a good idea

i will pass it on to the head people

it is being looked at as a possibility

we are looking for a way to do that

if we can we will depending on how it tests out

we are testing several ideas (reconnects) and if one is successful we will do it

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY CHANGED A FLAT NO?

Gaile stated

1. we have already discussed it and the answer is NO

2. we have already tested it on our closed servers and the answer is NO

3. we will not be coming back to this issue as the answer is decided NO

once Anet/NCsoft makes a flat decision i havent seen them change due to a loud vocal minority

120+pages of GWO DREK it boggles the mind

bhavv · Sep 24, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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once Anet/NCsoft makes a flat decision i havent seen them change due to a loud vocal minority

120+pages of GWO DREK it boggles the mind

78% isnt a minority numb-nuts. Look up the facts before posting BS.

Agian, someone start a poll on guru for this please.

BlackSephir · Sep 24, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

once Anet/NCsoft makes a flat decision i havent seen them change due to a loud vocal minority

That's funny, there's a link here to a poll that shows that 70%+ would want 7 heroes but you somehow managed to turn it to vocal minority

the_jos · Sep 24, 2007, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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As many people has said previousely there are many reasons players cant/dont get a team of players.

Be it a case of time.
Looking after kids and so having to go afk for long periods of time.
Just so you can take a break whenever.
So they arent forced into playing a set way. Be that build or tactics.

So anyone that cant guarantee they can play for x hours at a time shouldnt buy a MMORPG?

I can assure you that the casual player outnumbers the hardcore player. So to suggest that is to suggest GW should loose a good portion of its playerbase.

Well, you have 3 heroes and 4 hench to support you if you like to play 'solo'.
That should be enough, I don't see a reason why it would not work.

I also have some responsibilities and just make sure I can finish whatever I start or inform my team beforehand that I might need to leave early.

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78% isnt a minority numb-nuts. Look up the facts before posting BS.

I think you forget one thing here, bhavv.
It's 78% of the posters on GWO, which is not 78% of the GW player base.
And, people that don't care don't vote.
Now, there are 653 people that voted for 7 heroes.
Out of a total of 165,569 registered accounts.
To me that means that a large majority (about 99.7%) of the GWO community could not care less about the number of heroes.

Edit: same reply for BlackSephir

Winterclaw · Sep 24, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

[QUOTE=Loviatar]
actually Gaile stated that it was tested on their servers and rejected by Jeff Strain/ Mike O`Brion / and the rest of the design team and for the reasons THEY gave it will not be done.[QUOTE]

Question: what were their reasons specifically?

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1. we have already discussed it and the answer is NO
2. we have already tested it on our closed servers and the answer is NO
3. we will not be coming back to this issue as the answer is decided NO

As you have stated, anet usually leaves wiggle room so I really think that since a majority of people want this for PvE, so what happened to make Anet so against this idea?

BlackSephir · Sep 24, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Edit: same reply for BlackSephir

"Vocal" means they are... well, vocal, people who don't vote and have "I don't give a rat's ass" aren't really vocal, are they?

If 70%+ of people who actually care voted for 7 heroes and ~20% against then this must mean that vocal minority doesn't want 7 heroes, while vocal majority does want.
Rest who hasn't voted? Not "vocal".

And "couldn't care less" != "don't want"

Loviatar · Sep 24, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by bhavv

78% isnt a minority numb-nuts. Look up the facts before posting BS.

Agian, someone start a poll on guru for this please.

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

That's funny, there's a link here to a poll that shows that 70%+ would want 7 heroes but you somehow managed to turn it to vocal minority

if GWO had a few million active posters you would be right the both of you.

if either of you think GWO speaks for the player base that is your problem

78% of what?

78% of a tiny minority of the player base that even visits a fansite

so yes a tiny loud minority OF THE PLAYER BASE

GWO the voice of the player base?............no way

the_jos · Sep 24, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

BlackSephir,
We have about 0.3% of the registered users of a large community site voting for some feature and another 0.1% against it.
A total of 0.4% that speaks out is a vocal minority.

Furtermore, the GWO and GWG community represents only a very small (but active and outspoken) part of the entire GW community.
This is something people tend to forget when they refer to fan sites.
I'm not saying people posting on fan sites should not be listened to, but one should also not forget that those people (including me) are only a small part of the bigger picture.

Bryant Again · Sep 24, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

NO i do not agree and i hero/hench only

Out of curiosity, why don't you agree? If there was a vote that said "Would you want 7 heroes?", would you vote "undecided" or "No"?

BlackSephir · Sep 24, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Since there's no way to check what silent minority/majority thinks (that's why they're silent, not 'vocal') AN should stick to what vocal majority/minority says.

We have GWO forums with 70%+ for 7 heroes, if you have any other forum that's against 7 heroes- please do share.

If suddenly AN would allow 7 heroes and vocal majority would wake up and said "what the hell, I don't want that" then f them for being silent, yes? That's why forums exist, to know what people think and from what I've seen majority here and on GWO wants 7 heroes.
Maybe the rest doesn't want but who knows? Or cares? They're silent- their problem.